Joined: Sun Dec 19 2004, 03:27PM Location: Derby, United Kingdom Posts: 2
I'm new to this forum, though have been a keen admirer of Joe's Siskiyou website for a while now and the pre UP SP in Oregon for a number of years. My problem is that I live in the UK and have to rely on the internet and books / videos for prototypical information. I am slowly starting to put together a small HO pool of typical Oregon SP motive power and stock that I will detail to a high standard. My main question relates to the use of SP GP35s in Oregon in the late 70's / early 80s. Would the 'introduction' of a suitably modified Kato GP35 be non-prototypical
Joe; Since viewing your DVDs I have been wondering how varied is the pool of motive power you run or have on site? I know the time frame you're modeling and what limits it would place on what you run, but do you also have newer generations of power for when the clock advances on the Siskiyou? Also, roughly how many diesels DO you have? And lastly, it seems most roads run some leased power; did the Siskiyou do the same and will we see that? Dale : Come for a ride on the Sumpter Valley Railway near Baker and I'll see you there. Dale T.
Joined: Wed Dec 08 2004, 09:01PM Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2112
I don't think I ever got around to answering your questions here.
As to the number of locos on the layout, I plan to have 60 some locos on the layout when it is fully populated. The layout currently has about half the cars I'd like to have on it, and about 2/3s of the locos.
There are 200 some cars on the layout, and about 40 locos. The car population slowly shrinks over time as you get broken couplers and various other car accidents (prototype has the same problem, by the way ... things break with use). So I have to work over cars on the "RIP TRACK" to keep the car population constant on the layout.
Locos are generally tougher, but I have to pull maintenance on them from time to time as well ... like with 4408 from the last op session.
The loco population will swell once I figure out how to solve the problems with the Proto2000 GP9s and SD9s. I've got at least 6 of these locos that could stand to be put back on the layout.
And next, I'll be adding 6 more second generation units soon ... Athearn SD45T-2 tunnel motors. They are sweet looking locos and if they run anything like they look, it should be grand. The layout's never had enough tunnel motors on it, mostly because I insist they have the see through screens in the back. The Athearn units will start to address this shortcoming.
As to leased power, the Siskiyou Line didn't have a lot of that, but it did have pool power. You would see UP or BN units on the line running off hours as part of a power trade between the SP and the UP/BN. You can see a BN unit in this photo ....
Of course with the pending ATSF merger now, an Santa Fe unit might show up (rare, but possible), and of course after the 1987 announcement that we know will be coming of the SP Purchase by the Rio Grande, you'll most definitely start seeing some Rio Grande power on the line.
So I could legitimately run UP, BN, Santa Fe, or Rio Grande power on the line. The UP, BN, or Santa Fe power would most likely be SD40s, and I believe the Rio Grande power was mostly GP40s.
And I have run UP power (borrowed) on the layout, which is the most common pool power seen on the Siskyou Line in the 1980s. Joe Fugate http://siskiyou-railfan.net - 200,000 hits and counting!
Joe I just got three of the SD45T-2....I'll be by later (g) First thing is they look Awsome. I have mars lights etc. in them. Now, the thing is, they are very Athearn. I was hoping they would run like a Genesis but they are closer to the SD40-2 and are fairly nosiy. Midn you they don't run bad, but not as good as I had hoped. The units are not broken in or tweeked yet but that is my feedback. Trucks are a bit different and they do appear (by the drawing) to have the new pop shafts that should make them quiter. If more info sufaces I'll follow up. ____________________________________ Jon C SP Inyo Sub. Beaumont Ind Term.
Joined: Wed Dec 08 2004, 09:01PM Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2112
Thanks for the feedback on how they run. I have 6 of these little honeys on order ... the first batch came in at the local hobby shop, but mine weren't among them because I ordered painted but unnumbered versions.
My order should be in within a couple weeks they are saying, but in the meantime, I got to drool all over the ones they had on display in the store.
So one question ... did you just program the gyralights into the decoder and things worked as expected or did you have to install some extra lights?
Just wondering how they did the lights on these things? If they did it right, the nose lights should be one function (like F0) and the lights above the cab should be another function (like F1). If they did that, then it would be piece of cake to just program the decoder to do gyralight functions on F1, for example.
Hi Joe hate to spoil it but the shop I deal with did them for me. They are so cheap it was hard to pass on. I was just going to do one and well, lets just say all three do it. Yes they are set up as you describe. F0 for the headlights front or back and f1 brings on the Gyralight. Something to think about. The locos come with numberboards and all headlights lit. If you light the upper lights as gyralights then you loose the numberboards being lit. This is the way I had it done as that's what I remember, but if I got it backwards please say so. I pulled the mail from them and basically you've got all the bulbs in place so you just need to tie them into the output. I understand what you asking is, since this is DCC ready, for the 9 pin connector are bulbs grouped to differnt functions and that I don't know. I could pop the hood on one tonight and look but at this point I would be just puffing smoke. Sorry. I had planned on doing this my self but it'll probably have to wait. I've got and e-9 on deck that will probably be my 1st foray into the 'special lights' _______________________________________________ JonC.....................SP Inyo Sub. Mojave to Battle Mountain over Montgomery Pass. Serving the copper and potash industries.
Joe; I know you must be busy so I wasn't worried about getting a 'speedy' reply, besides I would have asked again when I come over in Apr. They ( the S.P.) sure used a lot of units and a variety too, it sounds like, just about like any other railroad. I never got to railfan much when I was a kid unless I could talk my mother into waiting at the crossing for the train whos' headlight you could barely see in the distance. I don't remember ever seeing foriegn units on, say, the U.P. ( here in Mt. Home/Boise/Nampa during the EARLY 60s) so I'm wondering if there was a time when railroads kept foriegn power off THEIR route. Seems I read something about that in a TRAINS issue a year or two back but I'm not sure. You usually see different units on any given train now and especially since some companies began leasing businesses, such as MPI. That will work for me on the LT&C, as I'm a sucker for engines especially if they are cheaply had at a garage sale or on clearance in the store. I have acquired a variety of road names like the ICG unit w/BB trucks and a snub nose (not sure of the desig.),a S.F. high, short hood, 6 axle beast (trainmaster?) and a couple bi-centennial units identical to the ICG except for the paint, of course. One of them is even numbered the same as the ICG loco. Three of them are Mantua/Tyco and one is Tyco. I was never impressed with Tyco but I figure if I dress them up enough you'll have to look under the hood to tell. They all need work of some sort or another like paint, motor work, details, etc. But, I have a pool of power resembling a zoo, of sorts, so there won't be any shortage when it comes to business on the LT&C. Back to your power; what do you suppose happened to the 'unmarked' unit in the photo? Burned or just in need of a paint shop? And lastly, I don't know about you but my favorite body style has to be the tunnel motors and the SD-40/45 'porch' units in particular. They just strike me as being the best and toughest looking units around. But like I said, I'm a sucker for engines. Anyway, on to more browsing the site. Talk to you later. Dale Come for a ride on the Sumpter Valley Railway near Baker and I'll see you there. Dale T.
I spent some time in Medford, Ore in the early 90s..... Used to go see the motive power consist from the Eugene-Medford train as it was parked while the crew rested overnight..... Anyways, seen the GP35s a few times, but they were always sandwiched in between SDs...